More Q&A from Bronco Super Celebration West (by multiple sources)

[BroncBro]

So now I want to know if the wireless charging includes wireless apple CarPlay and android auto or do we still have to plug in for that.

And more importantly, to get the dealer installed 2“ lift with 37s do I have to order Sasquatch first or can I skip that.

It’s been reported that Sync 4 has wireless CarPlay.
The 2” lift and 37s is still a rumor.

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[BroncoChicken]

2. What are the differences between the Badlands and Sasquatch suspensions?

Badlands and Sasquatch are similar, as both have Bilstein position sensitive dampers, but Sasquatch suspension is a little bit higher for 35-in. tires.

Again with the vague question. We know it's taller, we want to know why. Spacers? Taller coilovers? Something else?

This is the answer you get when a marketing person is asked technical questions. One of the suspension engineers told me that the suspensions are the same except for the up-travel limiter.

 

[Ajusaf]

Some would agree, others would not. But I think everybody can agree that $600 is too much for a Little class 2 hitch and wiring.

also includes a trail hitch camera

 

[Boston182]

4. Will rubberized floors be exclusive to the Black Diamond, Badlands, and First Edition?

Rubberized floors will only be available on Black Diamond and Badlands.

Are they saying First Edition no longer comes equipped with the rubberized floors?

Perhaps this clears up the discrepancy between the “Compare Models” pdf that states the FE gets carpeted floors, and the “Explore this model” which states FE gets rubberized floors. One is not correct. According to Ford above, it would appear the PDF is correct.
FE reserves are going to have a frenzy if true. Maybe I’m just reading too much onto their answer... but isn’t that the point?

And from ”Explore this model”:

This is the only response that made me worried/upset/anxious. Need that rubberized flooring in my FE.

 

[BuckeyeinNV]

This is the answer you get when a marketing person is asked technical questions. One of the suspension engineers told me that the suspensions are the same except for the up-travel limiter.

Saying it's the same still is a vague answer and doesn't answer the question of why it is taller. Someone needs to ask specifically why there is extra height after compensating for tire size. If there's truly no difference (i.e. no extra lift) then the answer should be that the posted specs are wrong, which they could confirm.

 

[BroncBro]

also includes a trail hitch camera

That’s with every model. I don’t think it’s part of the tow package

 

[BroncoChicken]

Saying it's the same still is a vague answer and doesn't answer the question of why it is taller. Someone needs to ask specifically why there is extra height after compensating for tire size. If there's truly no difference (i.e. no extra lift) then the answer should be that the posted specs are wrong, which they could confirm.

It isn't taller, it’s exactly the same. Everyone is obsessed with figuring out why there’s an extra .4” of height listed on the specs for the Wildtrak without taking into account it comes with the Shadow black hardtop instead of the soft top. The .4” is in the top. The suspension is exactly the same except for the bump stops.

 

[BroncBro]

It isn't taller, it’s exactly the same. Everyone is obsessed with figuring out why there’s an extra .4” of height listed on the specs for the Wildtrak without taking into account it comes with the Shadow black hardtop instead of the soft top. The .4” is in the top. The suspension is exactly the same except for the bump stops.

Yes, but keep in mind those numbers are not correct either. It’s estimated. They haven’t built a WT yet and they havent built any production vehicles.

He could be wrong, but the Ford rep clearly states that the Squatch suspension is higher than the BL suspension.

 

[BuckeyeinNV]

It isn't taller, it’s exactly the same. Everyone is obsessed with figuring out why there’s an extra .4” of height listed on the specs for the Wildtrak without taking into account it comes with the Shadow black hardtop instead of the soft top. The .4” is in the top. The suspension is exactly the same except for the bump stops.

No, the comparison is 2 door to 2 door, the top doesn't explain it. Unless the answer is that the shadow black top is .6" taller than the standard hardtop. But again, the question still needs to be asked. Your explanation is still an inference not an explicit statement.

 

[BroncoChicken]

I understand that, but when you try to convince someone of the truth, they always point to this numbers and say “there’s a .4” difference after accounting for tires, so there muct be spacers or a completely separate suspension and a third set of shocks.” If it were a completely different setup, Ford would just roll with the extra height on all of them. They aren’t going to design, engineer, and stock parts for a third setup that is only .4”different. On top of the fact that the suspension test engineer that was driving the mule told me the parts are identical.

 

[Flourman]

Can anyone comment on how the new Bronco seats will operate in comparison to this (see video link) 1988 Bronco? On the 1988 the driver side only slides forward, while the passenger side only tilts up and forward. Sounds like the new Bronco front seat will operate as a combo of the two (slide forward and also tilt up and forward)?

Didn’t realize the 88 did it that way. My 89 and 95 slid forward and tilted/leaned forward. Not like the passenger seat in that video. It’s identical to the drivers seat in that video but it slides all the way up to the steering wheel.

There is no pivot up. It’s all on the seat sliders. They said the doors were 2” longer to accommodate getting in and out.

 

[Bmadda]

I understand that, but when you try to convince someone of the truth, they always point to this numbers and say “there’s a .4” difference after accounting for tires, so there muct be spacers or a completely separate suspension and a third set of shocks.” If it were a completely different setup, Ford would just roll with the extra height on all of them. They aren’t going to design, engineer, and stock parts for a third setup that is only .4”different. On top of the fact that the suspension test engineer that was driving the mule told me the parts are identical.

Once the parts catalog is published we can stop debating this...till then I find it amusing?

 

[BuckeyeinNV]

I understand that, but when you try to convince someone of the truth, they always point to this numbers and say “there’s a .4” difference after accounting for tires, so there muct be spacers or a completely separate suspension and a third set of shocks.” If it were a completely different setup, Ford would just roll with the extra height on all of them. They aren’t going to design, engineer, and stock parts for a third setup that is only .4”different. On top of the fact that the suspension test engineer that was driving the mule told me the parts are identical.

But your numbers are wrong, and you incorrectly stated that the difference is just the tops, and you don't seem to have actually asked where the .6" comes from. All those examples you listed are speculation, because nobody has asked the right question. A coilover set to a different preload does not require a different part, a spacer, or a completely different suspension.

 

[BroncoChicken]

No, the comparison is 2 door to 2 door, the top doesn't explain it. Unless the answer is that the shadow black top is .6" taller than the standard hardtop. But again, the question still needs to be asked. Your explanation is still an inference not an explicit statement.

75.2”-73.8“=1.4” on the 2-door. 75.3”-73.9”=1.4” 4-door. If the difference in tire height is an actual inch, the difference is .4” on both. It’s the shadow black top, the difference in actual tire height, or a combination of both.

 

[BroncBro]

I’ll post this again for you guys......



Yes, but keep in mind those numbers are not correct either. It’s estimated. They haven’t built a WT yet and they havent built any production vehicles.

He could be wrong, but the Ford rep clearly states that the Squatch suspension is higher than the BL suspension.

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