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  1. Went to buy a Bronco Today, got the old Bait and Switch

    Always contact state regulators when a car dealership does something illegal. They get away with it because nobody reports.
  2. Went to buy a Bronco Today, got the old Bait and Switch

    Under california law, it is illegal for them not to offer to sell it to you at the lowest advertised price. Ask them to buy at the price online: https://www.thelemonlawcalifornia.com/car-dealer-fraud/selling-cars-for-more-than-advertised-prices/vehicle-code-section-11713-1/#Sub_(e) Especially...
  3. Ford pushes dealer stock allocation to May

    Mechanical stuff is way less reliable than solid-state electronics, so no this will never happen. It's also typically way more expensive to manufacture/integrate.
  4. Ford is done with car dealers video..

    You paid a lower price because of the current auto model where OEMs fill lots and have to put cash on the hood (rebates + incentives) to move the cars. Those days are probably not coming back. Customers strongly strongly dislike experiences where they pay more/less than other people for no...
  5. Ford is done with car dealers video..

    I think most people here would prefer a system like Tesla uses where the distribution is somewhat fair: a down payment reserves your place in a regional/national line at a given MSRP. The allocation system Ford uses locks vehicles to certain dealers that can abuse market position. In Europe the...
  6. Ford is done with car dealers video..

    I work for an OEM without dealers and the guy is not wrong. Getting rid of dealers is insanely difficult. Your average millionaire in a small town is a car dealer owner, and there are also large, F500 companies that own chains of dealers. They are not going to let their investments go to...
  7. [UPDATE - I'm SOL] Golf Mill Ford Stole my Bronco

    Ford is not a passive participant, they always have the backs of dishonest dealers granting them allocations over dealers like Granger who "unfairly" win business via every day low pricing.
  8. [RESOLVED!!!] After 2 years, my Bronco is finally here. Only to be greeted with a 48% markup.

    Take note everybody: Ford will always side with the dealer and help them screw you. If you are an honest dealer, Ford will cut your allocations to give more cars to less-honest dealers.
  9. [UPDATE - I'm SOL] Golf Mill Ford Stole my Bronco

    When dealers do stuff like this, report them to the FTC every time. The FTC absolutely enforces deceptive pricing against individual dealers all the time. Also report them to Illinois State Car Dealer Licensing authorities. Many people will say it does nothing, but when the eye of sauron...
  10. [UPDATE - I'm SOL] Golf Mill Ford Stole my Bronco

    Bring this to Ford's attention 100%. Deceptive business practices like this are against the dealer's franchise agreement. Mike Levine won't do anything substantial, he doesn't raise a finger against Ford dealers ever.
  11. Raptor Ticket holder but dealer seems confused

    Dealers aren't going to stand by and let Ford directly connect customers with Raptor allocations.
  12. FREMONT FORD PRICE GOUGING

    Also, what Bronco6g members should do is a classic tactic of dealing with ebay scalpers: waste as much of their time as possible and use fake offers to potentially screw over their opportunity to deal legitimately. Send them fake offers for increasing amounts over MSRP. They will believe they...
  13. FREMONT FORD PRICE GOUGING

    I don't care, if the moderation team allowed it, I would post a bunch of *actually* legally actionable statements about Fremont Ford and its staff. Otherwise, posting factual events/accusations about a business or person is 100% legal in the USA.
  14. FREMONT FORD PRICE GOUGING

    Nope. I just went to another dealer. Ford offered an obviously unhelpful “solution” of helping me find a new dealership.
  15. FREMONT FORD PRICE GOUGING

    They did the same thing to me, they are just a bad dealership. Nobody should order from them. Morgan Hill ford is in the area and is A great dealership
  16. RESOLVED! Dealer screwed me - 10k over msrp - Lindsay Ford - Wheaton, MD

    This is incorrect, he posts a bunch of sophistry justifying and shrugging his shoulders at dealer antics. After all, dealers are Ford customers, and Ford essentially has no concept of creating a good experience for end-users. I pointed out to him all the California dealers marking up Mach-Es...
  17. Northern California dealership discussion

    The GM is an unscrupulous liar in that case and I would encourage NOBODY to use the dealership for anything unless you are sure they are losing money on it.
  18. Jumping Ship? - What's Your Plan B Vehicle Purchase?

    I am going with a new Tundra with Hybrid. It should get 25+ mpg and also be great for the light offroading i'll be doing.
  19. Mike Levine saying outright he does NOT care about Granger/Chapman/SAC

    The big elephant in the room is the internet and social media. Technically, Granger isn't supposed to be targetting outside its sales area, and Granger would never break this rule by placing ads in California newspapers for example. Social media is much more grey because people can find and...
  20. Mike Levine saying outright he does NOT care about Granger/Chapman/SAC

    State laws govern allocations so that an OEM can't arbitrarily kill a dealer via cutting off supply. Generally, the rules say the allocation needs to be fairly applied and based on sound business reasons. The takeaway here is that Ford likely got heavy pushback from litigious dealers who...


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