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The car companies could break the franchise laws. They just needs the balls and money to do it. Basically, say screw these laws, start selling direct with no hassle and if the dealers don't like it, they can see us in court. There is already precedent with the EVs. That is basically what...

4XEs are very popular in my Chicago suburb where probably 100% of EV/hybrid owners have chargers in their garages. They work great for people who have short commutes 99% of the time and we all know the vast majority of people who drive off road vehicles are just cosplaying. I drive a 392 but...

The 392 does make your butt pucker in turns at 75+ mph on highway. However, I rarely drive fast and don't cut in and out of traffic on highway anyway, so I can deal with it. I've told people that you can't hooligan a 392 on the road like you can trackhawk/srt. I can admit its flaws.

They are night and day apart in terms of power. For me, the 0 to 60 (basically the traffic light to light performance) was a big draw. Most of my driving is in the city, so it mattered to me even if it is an off road vehicle. The power on tap and sound is intoxicating. It overrides all the...

392 owner. Love it. I still like the Bronco Raptor though. I feel like it has a more imposing presence. It is probably a better vehicle for my needs, but I just can't get over the lack of performance.

Depressing this is even an April Fools joke. Ford really dropping the ball...

Jeep 392 would be a better replacement as it is basically a scatpack. Braptor is cool but it is significantly under powered compared to the Jeep 392. You can find lightly used ones in the low 70s now. The Braptor is dope though but you may miss the v8 power / noise.

Do you miss the power/acceleration of the 392? I daily a 392XR which I absolutely love. I originally wanted a Braptor but couldn't' stomach the ADMs and difficulty of getting one when they first came out. Instead got a 392 which has been nothing short of phenomenal imho. I do frequent road...

I'm in Chicago, but I decided to go with a Jeep 392 and ordered through Granger as well. Figure it is worth the 350 mile drive to not deal with the Chicago dealerships. When I was doing my research, every one seemed like they were charging $10k ADMs minimum. I felt dirty just walking in those...

It is only hard because they have to satisfy dealers based on pre determined allocation formulas that are likely rooted in internal politics and historical sales figures. It just shows you how messed up the dealer system is and associated regulations. Otherwise, why would Ford care which...

The typical consumer doesn't give a bucket of hamster vomit about Ford's internal dealer allocation model. It isn't reasonable to expect consumers would understand dealer allocation especially if Ford is taking online reservations / orders. Most people think orders should be processed in FIFO...

I know they were trying to keep with the wide body raptor theme but I think they should have just offered a more HP motor and kept the stock Bronco stance on 35s. They went from just right to too much... the design is trying too hard. It works for the pickup but not on the Bronco.

It is really surprising they don't already have this in place. I suspect they are working on it. This has been a disaster for Ford in terms of brand. Consumers don't care about the inner workings of dealer franchise laws and that cars are sold to dealers and then to the consumer by the...

Their out is that at the bottom is says it is not an invoice. One of my complaints in general is that there isn't a standardized form that should be required at time of order that holds dealer accountable for the price of the vehicle. Ford should have their own form that they require dealers...

I have not heard a single person complain about ADMs when clearly communicated upfront. If a highly desirable car is on the lot and you want it immediately, you gotta pay to play. It is simple supply and demand. Prices reflect that reality. The issue is slimy dealers not communicating ADMs...

Exactly... all the power in the world to squash when a dealer tries to offer a good deal but then magically neutered and out of his hands when scumbag dealers are screwing people over.

Ford needs to mandate a Ford approved purchase agreement to be signed at time of order on all reservations so there is no miscommunication. The dealers are playing loosey goosey and it should not take a white shoe lawyer to interpret a purchase order or dealers using printouts that have a price...

Maybe, maybe not. Unfortunately, it also goes both ways. Many customers only care about lowest price and will gladly screw over a local dealer to save a few pennies too. Don't get me wrong, not defending scumbag dealers, but customers can be just as guilty. I work in a business (mortgages)...

I wonder if a class action lawsuit would get any traction in putting a stop to this practice? At a minimum, there needs to be some uniform disclosure regulation in regards to pricing changes on direct customer orders that dealers should have to follow. I can't think of any product or service...

Love how all these great reviews are coming in every other minute. Hilarious.