Here starts the dealer games

[Philvis77]

God they need to change legislation so we don’t have to deal with dealerships anymore

The dealer lobby/mafias are strong state to state. They've had 100 years to solidify their power. The people on here defending them calling it supply and demand economics or free-market economy are sorely mistaken. When consumers have to go through a middle man that does not have pricing restrictions, it essentially is a scalpers market. Target, Wal-Mart, etc. may be selling a super hot PS5, but they cannot charge $150 more than MSRP to customers, no matter how high the demand.

I feel this situation was a dealer setup from the get go to acquire her Bronco they could resell to someone that was interested in it. I think I'd be more pissed at them test driving my special order vehicle.

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[jsully10]

I think the dealership's facebook is "down."

 

[Daktari]

I ordered on-line (communications strictly through e-mail) in the US, so it is definitely possible

same, all via e-mail, agreement to honor xplan included. Never "signed" anything by hand, had to e-mail some statement "I hereby authorize..." and that was it. Easy peasy. Only time I met "my" sales guy was when the show broncos came through town. Next time I expect to meet him is when I pick mine up. When ever that may be.

 

[WuNgUn]

This is why God created Carvanna

Lol. No such thing in Canada...

 

[gocats132]

It seems they have a habit of doing this

 

[Efthreeoh]

This implied MSRP agreement price thing. That's problematic.

When I bought my new car last year, there was no implied anything. There was no set price. I walked in, negotiated (for several hours), arrived at a price and we signed a document with that price. Yeah, at that point, that was THE PRICE. No if/ands/buts about it.

And the many times as a kid I watched my dad order a vehicle, there was no implied price thing. He negotiated, back and forth, and finally my dad and the sales person agreed on a price, put it in writing, and months later my dad picked up the vehicle at that price. We didn't walk out of the dealership after placing an order, saying well the implied price when we pick it up should be ...

Has lust for a material item (the Bronco) caused so many folks to lose their minds when making this high dollar purchase?! This whole thing jumped the shark back when people started reserving a vehicle they hadn't even operated much less seen in person, that was months away from even being a thing.

It's unfortunate Ford didn't have a more traditional vehicle launch. That would have avoided some of this nonsense.

I negotiate for a living. I've negotiated new car purchases numerous times. I've only once negotiated the price on a car I ordered, the other times I've bought off the lot. I'm no stranger to negotiations.

What you did, and what your father did is a different case. The young woman in this story was taken advantage of. All price negotiations take place under context of broader circumstances. In the case of walking in and buying a car off the lot, you have numerous other locations to purchase the same or similar model of vehicle. When ordering, you can order from numerous other dealerships. So the context of the negotiation has broader implications for the dealership, because you have leverage of buying somewhere else. Of course depending on where you live the leverage can be better or worse depending upon the available dealerships you are willing to drive to and if those dealerships are or not part of the same dealership corporation.

The Bronco is a different situation. The Customer paid $100 to Ford to secure the ability to order a Bronco at a near-term future date. Part of the terms for the $100 reservation was Ford required the Customer to select one of its franchised dealerships to place an order for a Bronco at the time the Customer reserved to make a future order. And once the Customer ordered, that $100 agreement locked him in to not being able to switch dealerships, so in essence the Customer and Ford agreed that Dealership X was where the Customer would buy his ordered Bronco. In this case, the leverage of negotiation is clearly the advantage of the Ford franchised dealership because the Customer agreed by paying a $100 reservation fee to have no other choice than to buy his ordered Bronco from a specific dealership. At the time of reservation, the only pricing information available to the Customer so he could determine the affordability of the Bronco was Ford Corporate's website that provided only MSRP pricing, which makes it the implied pricing. Additionally, the circumstances of the negotiation are dictated by Ford Corporate, because in an effort to protect its franchised dealers from Customers switching at the last minute for a better offer, it forced the buyer to lock in the sale with his selected Ford franchise dealership at the time of order placement.

In my opinion, because Ford required a reservation fee and selection of a Ford franchise dealership, it has liability to control the pricing the dealership uses for reservation-ordered Broncos.

Walk in and buy a Bronco off the lot? That's a completely different situation (circumstance) and ADM is completely justified.

 

[ZackDanger]

I negotiate contracts for a living. I've negotiated new car purchases numerous times. I've only once negotiated the price on a car I ordered, the other times I've bought off the lot. I'm no stranger to negotiations.

What you did, and what your father did is a different case. The young woman in this story was taken advantage of. All price negotiations take place under context of broader circumstances. In the case of walking in and buying a car off the lot, you have numerous other locations to purchase the same or similar model of vehicle. When ordering, you can order from numerous other dealerships. So the context of the negotiation has broader implications for the dealership, because you have leverage of buying somewhere else. Of course depending on where you live the leverage can be better or worse depending upon the available dealerships you are willing to drive to and if those dealerships are or not part of the same dealership corporation.

The Bronco is a different situation. The Customer paid to Ford $100 to secure the ability to order a Bronco at a near-term future date. Part of the terms for the $100 reservation was Ford required the Customer to select one of its franchised dealerships to place an order for a Bronco at the time the Customer reserved to make a future order. And once the Customer ordered, that $100 agreement locked him in to not being able to switch dealerships, so in essence the Customer and Ford agreed that Dealership X was where the Customer would buy his ordered Bronco. In this case, the leverage of negotiation is clearly the advantage of the Ford franchised dealership because the Customer agreed by paying a $100 reservation fee to have no other choice than to buy his ordered Bronco from that specific dealership. The only pricing information available to the Customer to determine the affordability of the Bronco was Ford's website that provided MSRP pricing, which makes it the implied pricing. But the circumstances of the negotiation are dictated by Ford Corporate, because in an effort to protect its franchised dealers from Customers switching at the last minute for a better offer, it forced the buyer to lock in the sale with his selected Ford franchise dealership at the time of order placement.

In my opinion, because Ford required a reservation fee and selection of a Ford franchise dealership, it has liability to control the pricing the dealership uses for reservation-ordered Broncos.

Walk in and buy a Bronco off the lot? That's a completely different situation (circumstance) and ADM is completely justified.

While I’m stuck purchasing my ordered bronco from a single dealer, I still had an incredible amount of leverage.

I was both able to select the dealership I wanted to reserve with, and also transfer my reservation to another dealer if they changed their tune once I reserved.

I had all the cards, the money and the bronco.

Only once we agreed on the price did I agree to purchase my bronco through them.

Obviously none of that matters if my dealer changes their tune once the bronco arrives, but that’s why I weighed more than just price when shopping for my dealer.

 

[John Whammer]

Granger does it everything a change is made. I made 2 changes 2 door to 4 on badlands

my dealer has also done this every time I’ve made a change. Which has been 4 times I think.
I always get a new DORA.

CHAPMAN FORD

 

[DanDan]

my dealer has also done this every time I’ve made a change. Which has been 4 times I think.
I always get a new DORA.

CHAPMAN FORD

You have many chapman dealers in the US . Which one you talking about ?

 

[SasquatchBronco]

this line item is saying they can not and will not go over msrp. The language is: “requested dealer installed” not “dealer requested installed”. Those are two very different phrases the former saying: customer requesting an option that the dealer installs - which makes sense as an incremental cost to the customer on top of msrp.

I edited my post but my point still is valid; ADM does not fall under either of these categories, therefore what this dealership was trying to do isn't allowed by Ford.

 

[Efthreeoh]

While I’m stuck purchasing my ordered bronco from a single dealer, I still had an incredible amount of leverage.

I was both able to select the dealership I wanted to reserve with, and also transfer my reservation to another dealer if they changed their tune once I reserved.

I had all the cards, the money and the bronco.

Only once we agreed on the price did I agree to purchase my bronco through them.

Obviously none of that matters if my dealer changes their tune once the bronco arrives, but that’s why I weighed more than just price when shopping for my dealer.

In the case of the Bronco, I'd say that Ford ultimately is the one who makes the card deck in the end . And your dealership of choice could decide to reneg on the agreed-to price since is it worth your time and money to litigate the issue; it's good we have small claims court in this country. While some dealers set the pricing up front (Granger, SAG, etc.), some dealers don't. The Poster I was relying to was speaking to the price is not the price until the sales contract is drawn up and signed. Since every dealership had no Bronco's for sale and had no promise of availability of the product from Ford, I doubt any would have drawn up and signed a sales contract, as that would have legally bound them to sell the Customer a Bronco.

That is what is different here, and why in my opinion, the MSRP on Ford's website at the time of reservation and order placement was the implied price. With Granger and Stephens' et.al. the implied pricing is the "deal" they offered on the internet. Any dealer that would put a "deal" on the internet that implied its pricing would include ADM would have been a LOL situation.

 

[WuNgUn]

my dealer has also done this every time I’ve made a change. Which has been 4 times I think.
I always get a new DORA.

CHAPMAN FORD

What's a dora? This?

 

[Monster1926]

What's a dora? This?

That’s a PA. Dora just details your order that the dealer submits to Ford.
Ps youll wait until 2023 for that painted black hard top if you didn’t know.

 

[WuNgUn]

That’s a PA. Dora just details your order that the dealer submits to Ford.
Ps youll wait until 2023 for that painted black hard top if you didn’t know.

That's my first PA... We changed it to MIC top (but I didn't get a new PA... Just an order preview)
Should I ask for a new PA and a DORA?

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