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When I got my driver's license, one of the required skills was correctly parking on a hill. Uphill, no curb, turn the wheels right so the car doesn't roll into traffic. Uphill, with a curb, wheels left so the rolling car will have its front wheels hit the curb. Downhill, I am pretty sure it's wheels away from the road.🤔
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4th gear no e brake??? Until the recent sale of my ‘19 Mustang GT, my daily driver has been a manual transmission vehicle for over 30 years. I have never parked one in 4th gear. Ever. 99% in reverse and e brake.
Seriously asking, why 4th gear???
 

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Yes!!! Thought I was going crazy. I parked mine on a decent incline, left in 1st gear without parking brake (I forgot). I was running around a track and eventually seen my bronco lugging slowly backwards. Never thought of it overcoming the compression until I just read that. Makes sense. It moved probably 6 feet till I noticed
This happened to me. My driveway is on a modest incline and I parked, left it in 1st without parking brake and went inside. I was on a phone call and looked out window to see my Bronco rolling back towards the street! It was rolling like 6 inches and stopping and then Rolling another 6 inches and stopping. I ran out, jumped it and put the E brake on. I put in R and Ebrake always now when parking.

I have had manual cars all my life and frequently parked them in gear (1st) on inclines and didn’t always remember to put Parking brake on and they never rolled. They were mostly smaller imports so the weight of the Bronco is probably a factor in overcoming the compression.

I think an actual E brake HANDLE that makes those familiar clicking sounds when you pull it up would be better than what we have. More memorable to engage the E Brake that way.
 
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4th gear no e brake??? Until the recent sale of my ‘19 Mustang GT, my daily driver has been a manual transmission vehicle for over 30 years. I have never parked one in 4th gear. Ever. 99% in reverse and e brake.
Seriously asking, why 4th gear???
I mentioned it above, 4th just seemed to be a natural spot to pull into gear on this transmission with the return to neutral in the middle. And while I've driven manuals (2 and 4 wheel) for my entire adult life, I've never had anyone explain which gear you're supposed to use and why. Apparently in my larger engine vehicles gear selection wasn't an issue and the smaller vehicles were light enough that it didn't matter either because I never developed a habit for any particular gear other than reverse when facing down hill.

And of course the ebrake is critical to the process, but I've never had a manual with the ebrake under the dash. I just dropped the ball and didn't pull it. It's really not an ideal spot in my mind for a manual transmission, but Ford didn't ask me and put it where they felt they needed to.
 
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I've never had a manual roll away in gear. I've always used 1st gear though.

As you state, the slight incline makes it seem all the less likely to happen.

At least you have the mod bumper vs the plastic one.
Unfortunately I have the "capable" bumper, but your point is the same. Yeah I am thankful it was metal and not plastic. Didn't even scratch it.
 

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I haven't forgotten to use my parking brake yet, but I purposely am in the habit of shifting to crawl if sloped toward the rear, or shifting to reverse if sloped to the front as added insurance.
 

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The compression on 4 cylinders is not enough to hold the Bronco on any incline, especially in a higher gear. While a good V8 might have held it, the 2.3L is not going to.
 

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When I got my driver's license, one of the required skills was correctly parking on a hill. Uphill, no curb, turn the wheels right so the car doesn't roll into traffic. Uphill, with a curb, wheels left so the rolling car will have its front wheels hit the curb. Downhill, I am pretty sure it's wheels away from the road.🤔
We must have had the same Drivers Ed teacher!;)
 
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The compression on 4 cylinders is not enough to hold the Bronco on any incline, especially in a higher gear. While a good V8 might have held it, the 2.3L is not going to.
Indeed.
Lesson learned and thankfully without any damage. This could have been far more painful.
 

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I mentioned it above, 4th just seemed to be a natural spot to pull into gear on this transmission with the return to neutral in the middle. And while I've driven manuals (2 and 4 wheel) for my entire adult life, I've never had anyone explain which gear you're supposed to use and why. Apparently in my larger engine vehicles gear selection wasn't an issue and the smaller vehicles were light enough that it didn't matter either because I never developed a habit for any particular gear other than reverse when facing down hill.

And of course the ebrake is critical to the process, but I've never had a manual with the ebrake under the dash. I just dropped the ball and didn't pull it. It's really not an ideal spot in my mind for a manual transmission, but Ford didn't ask me and put it where they felt they needed to.
I was honestly curious. I first learned to drive a manual transmission (not counting tractors) when I was 13 or so. It was a 3 on the tree late 50s Ford pickup. I honestly can't remember "why" or if someone told me to - but I can't remember a time when I didn't put a manual transmission vehicle into Reverse when parking it. The 58 Chevy Apache truck my Dad had doesn't count - Reverse was gone.

You mention e-brake handle location and it just dawned on me - my last daily ('19 Mustang GT) had it located in the center console. The Mustang before that - same. My wife's project 84 GMC K1500 shortbed - foot pedal on the driver's side below the dash. And as I remember - all my old Toyota 4x4's and 4runners (2dr) had it on the RH side of the steering wheel I believe, right under the dash panel. And the old 50's / 60s trucks usually had a big metal handle on the LH side of the steering wheel under the dash.
 

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Anyone that has ever driven a manual transmission knows to leave it in first gear.
 

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I will ask one of you to take me on to college and confirm when to use which gear.

I typically use a forward gear when facing backwards down a hill and reverse when facing forward. Hoping I'm not doing that wrong too, but who knows. And then just a forward gear sitting on flat(ish) ground.
I've seen arguments everyway about this. I was taught to park in 1st on an upslope and reverse on a downside to counteract the pull of gravity, snd when you do that the engine will be spinning the opposite way from what it's meant to do. I don't know if that actually adds any resistance over spinning the right way or if it can damage anything. The argument I like and am having a hard time breaking my habits to match, is to put it in the lower ratio of 1st or reverse no matter which way you're pointing, as that will let the engine do the most work holding you. In the case of this vehicle, Crawl wins that contest by a landslide.
 

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We must have had the same Drivers Ed teacher!;)
Things change. I never had a Drivers Ed teacher growing up in SC. But I remember taking my final driver's test in my '67 SS Chevelle 4 speed with manual steering and manual drum brakes. Parallel parked it too. How things change.
 

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I'm in the habit of putting mine into crawl whenever I stop. Just becomes a muscle memory move I don't even think about. I'm pretty good at setting the e-brake 99.9% of the time, but figure having it in crawl will be best for that 0.1% when I get distracted and forget.
 

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We must have had the same Drivers Ed teacher!;)
I teach HS in AZ and they don't even offer Driver's Ed!

When I was in HS in California, Driver's Ed was a graduation requirement. Not sure if it still is.🤔
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